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Sorry guys, I can't post the entire article because of copyright issues. Go buy this week's Portland Business Journal (dated 10/26/07) if you want the full story. Here are a few key tidbits:

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The proposed PGE Park renovation could send its signature tenant into an entirely new facility.

Merritt Paulson, the owner of the Portland Beavers Triple-A baseball team and soccer's Portland Timbers, is mulling changes that could accommodate a Major League Soccer team but force the Beavers to find new digs.

The suggested renovations would convert the stadium into a soccer and football venue exclusively. Paulson said the moves could lead him to explore building a new Beavers stadium in Portland that would hold around 10,000 fans.
Translation: The goal is to make PGE Park into a soccer & football only facility, and move the Beavers out.
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The Portland Baseball Group, which includes many prominent business leaders, believes the move could buoy its own drive to attract a big-league baseball team. Paulson said he'll seek a site that could hold a larger facility down the road.

"It would make the process of attracting Major League Baseball significantly easier," Paulson said.
Translation: A new baseball stadium for the Beavers would/should be upgradeable to accomodate MLB.
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Before determining whether he could expand a smaller facility into a $500 million-plus Major League Baseball-quality stadium, Paulson would need to find at least $80 million to renovate PGE Park, purchase an MLS expansion team and build a new Beavers park.

While he's devised no financing possibilities, Paulson said he'll likely seek help from local government sources.

He could also draw on a 2003 state funding bill to offset some of the stadium's expansion costs. The bill would apply the state tax portions of players' and executives' salaries toward stadium construction bonds.

David Logsdon, the city's spectator facilities manager, said staffers will study both the proposed PGE Park renovation and new baseball stadium ideas by the end of the year.
From my understanding, SB5 funds could not be used for refurbishing PGE Park or for building a new AAA facility. I assume it could be used for expanding a AAA facility to accomodate MLB... but the larger point is that the revenue would come from MLB players and execs, not MLS or AAA.

I'm not sure what other local sources would be available for the $80 million needed for PGE/MLS/new AAA facility. I think hotel/car rental taxes should be considered, and perhaps some development rights could be sold, but I see nothing else that would be politically viable. Plus, I don't think you could remodel PGE and build an MLB-upgradeable AAA stadium for $50 million ($80m minus the $30m expansion fee for MLS).
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The Marlins stadium lease expires in 2011, said Steve Kanter, president of the Portland Baseball Group. The group is also tracking whether the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, one of the majors' least successful teams attendance-wise, will remain in the Tampa/St. Petersburg, Fla., area.

"There will be a team moving, and hopefully at that point, Portland will be able to persuade the world that we're ready," Kanter said.

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Kanter said the prospects have his team ready to move quickly if, say, the Marlins come calling.

"We're quiet now because no one's moving immediately," he said. "But we remain convinced that someone will move. And I remain in close contact with the Marlins."
Roll Eyes I have to be honest and say that it worries me that the president of the Portland Baseball Group would say something like this. There are clearly no teams moving, not in the next decade or so. The Marlins are wrapping up a deal at the Orange Bowl, and Huizenga is already on record as saying that he'll let the Marlins stay beyond 2010 if a new deal is in place. And the Rays lease extends out, what, another 20 years?

So to me, Kanter is either not paying attention (and he should be, since he is the president of the Portland Baseball Group, right?), or he is being intentionally misleading... which, I guess, I understand in a way, since you want to give people hope in order to lay the foundation for MLB. But the reality is that no MLB team will relocate here (or anywhere else) for a generation. We are more likely to get a team via expansion to 32 teams but again the reality is that this looks to be at least 7-10 years away considering the current economics in MLB.

And I don't know who Kanter is in "close contact" with in the Marlins organization but right now its MLB running the stadium show in Miami, not Marlins ownership.
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"It would be great if we could site it as a location that would make sense if we were to ultimately attract a Major League Baseball franchise," said Wally Van Valkenberg, a Stoel Rives LLP managing partner who headed the Oregon Stadium Campaign. "And I'd think Merritt would be interested in that as well because he might be in the franchise's ownership group."
Hear hear.

Timbers Army fans, take note --- in the picture accompanying the article, Paulson was sitting in front of a Timbers Army scarf... at least the guy knows where his bread is buttered.


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"We're quiet now because no one's moving immediately," he said. "But we remain convinced that someone will move. And I remain in close contact with the Marlins."
Patently ridiculous. No teams are moving in the near future.

Kanter and PBG needs to look north (Read: Sonics and Clay Bennett) and consider what is involved in a relocation effort where municipalities are still very much in tune with wishing to retain their professional sports franchises.

First off, remove any far flung notion that the Marlins are moving. Erase it. Block it. Forget the name "Marlins". The franchise in that market is something that MLB is obsessively focused on due to the television revenues and the firm belief that the market can well serve MLB if a proper facility is in place.

If you wish to talk the Rays, then you have to look at an ownership group wishing to expend the monies of getting out of a lease, the possible payment of lost revenues that a city might sue for should an owner push for relocation, and the legal costs therein. Stuart Sternberg has no interest in doing such a thing.

There has to be some better educated comments on this issue. Comments regarding expansion can be taken somewhat seriously. Relocation talk is clearly out the question.
 
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I'd perfer an expansion team anyway - no past history that took place elsewhere. Everything would be new, fresh, fun, exciting - and totally, historically, all ours!

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"We're quiet now because no one's moving immediately," he said. "But we remain convinced that someone will move. And I remain in close contact with the Marlins."
Patently ridiculous.
Yeah, pretty much... I was trying to be diplomatic, but the fact is, that was an ill-informed remark that, if anything, will bite us in the rear end if anyone tries to pretend that relocation is imminent in order to get a stadium.


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boy this merritt paulson guy looks flush w/cash and has an aura of winning about him--he seems genuinely ambitious in terms of bringing major league sports to pdx [though mls is obviously more realistic in the next few years]....hope portland's weirdness/anti-bidness history and politicos don't chase him off!
 
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Originally posted by Maury:
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"We're quiet now because no one's moving immediately," he said. "But we remain convinced that someone will move. And I remain in close contact with the Marlins."
Patently ridiculous. No teams are moving in the near future.

Kanter and PBG needs to look north (Read: Sonics and Clay Bennett) and consider what is involved in a relocation effort where municipalities are still very much in tune with wishing to retain their professional sports franchises.

First off, remove any far flung notion that the Marlins are moving. Erase it. Block it. Forget the name "Marlins". The franchise in that market is something that MLB is obsessively focused on due to the television revenues and the firm belief that the market can well serve MLB if a proper facility is in place.

Translation for the common man who may not possess a college degree:
MLB is not ready to give up on what it sees as a potential way to tap Cuban\Hispanic $$$. In addition, Miami is filled with quite a few wealthy individuals (Anyone see the movie: "The Cocaine Cowboys?") who MLB wants very much to keep as paying customers.
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If you wish to talk the Rays, then you have to look at an ownership group wishing to expend the monies of getting out of a lease, the possible payment of lost revenues that a city might sue for should an owner push for relocation, and the legal costs therein. Stuart Sternberg has no interest in doing such a thing.

True, and I'd add something else too. If Stuart Sternberg played his cards right, he could put the Rays in a "no-move" category. Yes, his club plays in that dump that is the Trop. But, what if he started aggressively marketing his club to Cuban & Puerto Rican markets? He'd get a nice little cash flow, IMO. Tampa's distance from Cuba (as opposed to Miami's distance from Cuba) does put Sternberg at a bit of disadvantage, but there are AM radio stations that could carry the team's broadcasts that far. Play some exhibition games in the Carribbean, draft some Cuban & Puerto Rican players, and the Rays might be able to build a Hispanic fan base. Once that goal has been accomplished, I can see MLB being a little more aggressive to help the Rays get a new stadium in Tampa (which is where it needs to go!!)Pay off Steinbrenner to get his hands off the city.


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FYI... I have an Op/Ed response in to the Biz Journal. They are talking of running it and will let you know if they do.
 
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Look for the Op/Ed shortly in the Biz Journal.
 
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I wonder if Mr. Kanter still remains in close contact with the Marlins? Big Grin


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